Kbox vs Sonicview vs Nfusion<Moved and Merged

[JimMrBass]

fdels, you also mentioned the kbox and for my money the KBOX is a much better receiver than the comparable nfusion phoenix. I have 2 IKS receivers setup on my TV. The nfusion HD and the KBOX. The KBOX continually outperfoms the nfusion. Better picture, No down time, Better guarantee and better support as far as I am concerned. Now plus the fact the nfusion hd is the top of the line receiver and costs over $300.00 more than the KBOX. KBOX even let there customers upgrade from the Hero to the Plus model at no expense to the customer. Nfusion stopped support of the nova and there customers were left wanting. What company would I choose. I think you have my answer KBOX. One more thing the KBOX is capable of doing Stand Alone while the nfusion isn"t

[fdels]

just stating my opinion and not looking for a debate, if and when their is a standalone fix it will be nearly impossible for any receiver to run on standalone as the providers can change the encryption every minute if they wish making it impossible for the coders to release standalone fixes that quick, the new nag3 was implemented with being able to release more complicated ECM's at will if they choose to which they will if anyone does circumvent their system with a standalone file, as for the dropping of the nova, nfusion would have no legitimate reason for having to issue an upgrade of some sort whether it be chargeable or free, this would surely tie them to third party coders leaving the third party coders and their customers possibly at risk even more, every possible solution was put fourth before the final word of dropping of the nova, if it could have been saved I beleive they would have, it just was not a smart business move to keep the nova which could open the door for whoever to find the nfusion coders and servers, I have both units as well and can honestly say in my opinion that nfusion is the leader with more channels and stability and most importantly SECURITY, as far as kbox having a superior picture than the phoenix or solaris I would say they are comparable at best, nfusion has been at iks longer with a better and safer overall system for a few reasons, they offer proxy support, they added the security chip to all receivers except the nova, the nova was not included because there are too many receivers with similar components as the nova which in turn could allow all non nova's to connect to the SUNS system leaving it open and making it possible for their servers to be located, again, I have absolutly nothing against kbox as I do own one and think they are on the right path with a very good product but the one thing that does may me think is what measures have the kbox team put in place as far as security not only for themselves but for their customers? the security measures could become a huge factor if the providers become more and more aggressive with their searches for all iks systems out their as these will be the only type working, just look at europe, it's been over 2yrs they have been using nag3 with no standalone solution only iks and private servers are working so anything here might take awhile or maybe even never happen making security for receiver's and customers a very important factor when buying, this is just something to consider when choosing which receiver you will buy, this is only one person's opinion as the best tool you have is reading as much as you can, all the info is around you just have to find it...

[Jimmy Story]

I have a nova, was working good. whin I turned it on today it ask If you need to updade new factor fill. I did no picture after this and no remote. Help Red Dog

[tvinoff46]

thats a nice info you got there, i love my nfusion even though its a solaris, i have it for a month and does not bother me if it freezes once in a while..

when i watch a movie and miss few seconds or few minutes of it does not affect my entertainment..

i love FTA...

now im getting me a beer... CHEERSSSSSSSSSS.... IM WATCHING THE US OPEN NOW

[carlosmitchell34]

This is my two cents i own a sv8000 and i would say that the servers need work but as of the moment the sv has more channels in hd open than nfusion i get about 36 channels compered to nfusion's 8 or so and this is a company that has a very stable server but yet they would only offer their customers that many channels on such a costly unit i still have faith in sv and will stick with them till things get better they are headed in the right direction had they a stable server they would be the brand of choice as i to own an nfusion hd unit but if i want to watch something worth watching in hd i turn on the sv hd things have not been that bad over the past week or so i can recall when nfusion had these same growing pains.

[Dispatcher2117]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Story

I have a nova, was working good. whin I turned it on today it ask If you need to updade new factor fill. I did no picture after this and no remote. Help Red Dog

You need to do some reading. The Nova is no longer supported. Also, please don't hijack a thread.

[JimMrBass]

Originally Posted by fdels

just stating my opinion and not looking for a debate, if and when their is a standalone fix it will be nearly impossible for any receiver to run on standalone as the providers can change the encryption every minute if they wish making it impossible for the coders to release standalone fixes that quick, the new nag3 was implemented with being able to release more complicated ECM's at will if they choose to which they will if anyone does circumvent their system with a standalone file, as for the dropping of the nova, nfusion would have no legitimate reason for having to issue an upgrade of some sort whether it be chargeable or free, this would surely tie them to third party coders leaving the third party coders and their customers possibly at risk even more, every possible solution was put fourth before the final word of dropping of the nova, if it could have been saved I beleive they would have, it just was not a smart business move to keep the nova which could open the door for whoever to find the nfusion coders and servers, I have both units as well and can honestly say in my opinion that nfusion is the leader with more channels and stability and most importantly SECURITY, as far as kbox having a superior picture than the phoenix or solaris I would say they are comparable at best, nfusion has been at iks longer with a better and safer overall system for a few reasons, they offer proxy support, they added the security chip to all receivers except the nova, the nova was not included because there are too many receivers with similar components as the nova which in turn could allow all non nova's to connect to the SUNS system leaving it open and making it possible for their servers to be located, again, I have absolutly nothing against kbox as I do own one and think they are on the right path with a very good product but the one thing that does may me think is what measures have the kbox team put in place as far as security not only for themselves but for their customers? the security measures could become a huge factor if the providers become more and more aggressive with their searches for all iks systems out their as these will be the only type working, just look at europe, it's been over 2yrs they have been using nag3 with no standalone solution only iks and private servers are working so anything here might take awhile or maybe even never happen making security for receiver's and customers a very important factor when buying, this is just something to consider when choosing which receiver you will buy, this is only one person's opinion as the best tool you have is reading as much as you can, all the info is around you just have to find it...

I have both receivers like I mentioned in a previous post because they were given to me to test by both manufacturers. You say SECURITY and I say what SECURITY. Do you know something I do not. No system is safe using IKS or Card Sharing even while using a proxy. You are connected to the internet and as such your personal information is available to the MAN. DON'T LET AMY ONE TELL YOU ANY DIFFERENT. I have 6 different receivers running for testing 24x7 The nfusion and the Kbox are both connected to a 50 inch plasma TV and like I said in a previous post Kbox kicks the daylights out of nfusion. Now as far as a stand alone system. Check in the underground and you will see that there is a stand alone system that has been broken but has not been released due to the fact the plastic people can not stand FTA. They and I think that that FTA has ruined a once great hobby and they will not release it
Now nfusion made a statement when they first starting selling receivers and I quote "We will always continue to support the nova" They claim security well that is bull crap and we all know it. They claim because of cloning and I say every model they have made has clones except the Nfusion HD which was previously known as the nuvenio. Therefore that being the case they will also have to stop support for there other 2 models the Solaris and the Phoenix. YOU BEST BEWARE THEN FRIEND. I see a monster in the making along the same lines as another manufacturer CS which is no longer in business. Kbox had an issue with there receiver and they allowed there customers to upgrade at no expense. Now my last and final statement. I bet you did not know that the masterminds behind nfusion left the company and created Kbox. How do I kow all this information I am also a supermod on 2 other sites and a mod on one more. These are all facts and not fiction.

[Marcella]

Jimmy B. I agree with most of what you say ,but I thought it was the CS boys that left to form KBox.I could be wrong. I think I was wrong once but then again when I think about it I was only mistaken. LOL LOL LOL

[fueltankman]

Originally Posted by JimMrBass

fdels, you also mentioned the kbox and for my money the KBOX is a much better receiver than the comparable nfusion phoenix. I have 2 IKS receivers setup on my TV. The nfusion HD and the KBOX. The KBOX continually outperfoms the nfusion. Better picture, No down time, Better guarantee and better support as far as I am concerned. Now plus the fact the nfusion hd is the top of the line receiver and costs over $300.00 more than the KBOX. KBOX even let there customers upgrade from the Hero to the Plus model at no expense to the customer. Nfusion stopped support of the nova and there customers were left wanting. What company would I choose. I think you have my answer KBOX. One more thing the KBOX is capable of doing Stand Alone while the nfusion isn"t

Thats funny, I remember stand alone fixes on the Nova. Hmm sounds like Nfusion bashing to me. Why don't you get reprimanded like everyone else?

In my opinion, Kbox will be gone in less than a year when DN sues them. Ask yourself, why is DN not suing Nfusion? Nfusion has been using IKS for a lot longer than anyone else yet they are not being sued.
Things that make you go hmmmm!

As all of you well know in this "hobby" that you are either watching tv or a blank screen. I prefer a picture and sound.But that is just me.

[JimMrBass]

I stated that nfusion does not have the stand alone bin and right now they do not but Kbox does. You are entitled to your opinion but have they sued Kbox yet ? Neither is nfusion being sued at the present time but they did shut down a lot of there suppliers and they are still in hiding today. this is stating facts. Why did it take nfusion longer than it did Kbox to get a file up afer N3 I know the answer to that question and it was posted in my previous post.
I do not watch much Television much as I test, but I do know that Kbox has had a file up that works perfect for over 7 weeks. Yet nfusion has had freezing problems that just hasn't quit in that same time frame. again this is not bashing but stating facts. With any IKS system you are at a tremendous risk.
Now I also remember nfusion having a Stand alone bin file and that was years ago when they first came out but went to Iks almost immediaately because they did not have to pay coders. I watched TV on the Kbox with a stand alone bin as recently as 4 months ago. Again this is stating facts. I honestly do not think any company should mislead the public.
Sir you say you remember stand alone fixes for the Nova please tell us all how long ago that was. I do value your opinions