An analysis of current events...

[pico68]

Great post but how about this if DN can’t get this under control and doesn’t want to spend time or money on law suites they could turn around and leak information on how Dave protects it’s system then bang you have your competitor getting hacked too!!

[xtra2b]

Originally Posted by MrMajik

I have yet to read this thought posted anywhere so here it is:

What if DN secretly supports all of this? Think about it...

Nag2 was not put in place to stop people from receiving their signal without a subscription. It was a business investment to improve their product. So it seems that back when Nag1 programming moved to Nag2 a lot of "buzz" on the Internet was created. This drew a lot of attention to DN which increased the familiarity of DN to the general population.

Commerical time is sold by ratings. Do you think the people paying for the commerical time cares if those watching are hacking the signal or paying for it? I don't think they care. They care about exposure. Right now there are much fewer people watching DN due to the outage which means commerical time is not as valuable.

I have to wonder if the satellite providers are somehow involved in all of this. How much do you think the STB makers would pay to get info from the satellite folks to get their product going again? The providers would not give out the entire secret but just enough to get everyone going again and BAM! Sales increase and the providers get a heafty kickback. Therefore the satellite providers make money from those who would never pay for a subscription in the first place.

If you think from a business standpoint this is not all that crazy of an idea. More viewers = better ratings = higher cost to advertisers. Make money off of everyone receiving your signal...

Just my .02 worth.

I've thought the same thing about the provider and FTA being in the same bed together. That way they could make money both ways.

[nosam]

Excellent summation which I think is bang on ,good work
Remember patience is a virtue

[chopper9]

This sounds great and in principle I agree. However, Dave idn't see it that way. The same logic should have applied to them.

[wrangler]

All Dave has to do is release the p-4 d-1 hack. Checkmate!

[signalsnatcher33]

Falcon, that was a very nice breakdown of the way things are. Anyone with an eye for business and marketing can plainly see that your post is accurate. All you can do is throw it out there and try to put some insight into the whole affair. BUT it's like the old saying goes I guess, you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink, especially if he has a little mule in him. Very well put together post.
Later.

[dick home]

Remember who owns DAVE, Rupert Murdock, who also owns News Corp a very large copyright holder. Dave has a vested interest in protecting its copyright. Charlie does not own any copyright so if he screws up security then he just has to be afraid about what his shareholders and Wall Street does to his stock.

[kgkids]

Originally Posted by dangerdarren

What angers me is that people are still calling this a "hobby" and "testing". Its not really "Testing" anymore. This is an industry, and everyone in it is paying customers who sit and wine or just 'suck up' and dont contribute (for examples 'BL is a god, wait to go'). We don't program cards or 'test' scripts anymore. We rarely anticipate downtime and there is far more dealers than there used to be, who in my opinion are destroying this for everyone by selling to, and providing support to anyone who has a $10 bill in their hand. As far as i'm concerned, I truly hope this goes back to 'plastic' /cards were can get rid of the 1 post wonders and lazy 'tester' (sarcastic quote) who complain non stop because their box has been down for 2 weeks, get rid of the LEACHES who cant be bothered to put in the time read before posting, or research and contribute for all of us. In my opinion the reason why it has taken so long to find a solution is because its turned into an industry instead of a hobby where we felt 'lucky' to get 'free TV' instead of demanding to have it all the time... I dunno, seeing people freak out over nothing annoys the hell out of me.

Dangerdarren,
I would like to meet you and shake your hand!

[TarlsQtr]

Dish getting hacked costs Dave a bunch of money too. Who would subscribe to Dave if you can get Charlie for free? They also lose subscribers.

[keulco]

Originally Posted by MrMajik

I have yet to read this thought posted anywhere so here it is:

What if DN secretly supports all of this? Think about it...

Nag2 was not put in place to stop people from receiving their signal without a subscription. It was a business investment to improve their product. So it seems that back when Nag1 programming moved to Nag2 a lot of "buzz" on the Internet was created. This drew a lot of attention to DN which increased the familiarity of DN to the general population.

Commerical time is sold by ratings. Do you think the people paying for the commerical time cares if those watching are hacking the signal or paying for it? I don't think they care. They care about exposure. Right now there are much fewer people watching DN due to the outage which means commerical time is not as valuable.

I have to wonder if the satellite providers are somehow involved in all of this. How much do you think the STB makers would pay to get info from the satellite folks to get their product going again? The providers would not give out the entire secret but just enough to get everyone going again and BAM! Sales increase and the providers get a heafty kickback. Therefore the satellite providers make money from those who would never pay for a subscription in the first place.

If you think from a business standpoint this is not all that crazy of an idea. More viewers = better ratings = higher cost to advertisers. Make money off of everyone receiving your signal...

Just my .02 worth.

I don't think that dish network cares too much about commercial programming, but pay-per-view movies, sporting events and porn is a different picture. Just imagine, one hundred thousand people watch a $30 sporting event for free, that's a potential revenue loss of aprx. $30 000 000 in a few hours. One hundred thousand people watch a PPV movie for free = potential revenue loss of $400 000 and the same with the porn.
Why do you think the first thing that goes down is the porn channels, then the PPV movies and then the non-commercial movie channels??
Because that is where their financial loss is the greatest!
Right now dish network has an army of lawyers looking at potential law suits against signal theft etc. To pursue every free-to-air coder, user, etc. would put them into financial ruin. Therefore, they are lobbying very hard for the state to enforce satellite signal theft. This means that the state can pick up the bill for sueing 'joe blow' with an illegal FTA reciever.
Never the less, the new hack for DN will come. You can watch TV again. They will say that they did their best to secure their encryption, apply to the government for a research and development grant and everybody is HAPPY!!