H.R.1388 - The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act

[JimMrBass]

I am wondering if our so called leaders of our Government have even read the Preamble to our Declaration of Independence. They certainly should because they will see that we have a right to effect change should we not see that they are doing the proper job.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

[cruzat]

Actually that preamble is from the "The Declaration of Independence".

Here's the preamble from the US Constitution.

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The problem is that "We the people" are no longer in charge and that makes this country a dictatorship.

The government representatives are just that they represent "We The People".

The federal was formed to negotiate treaties with foreign governments and to oversee the national armed forces and nothing more than the people allow them.

But we have taken a terrible turn in the road and it's getting worse by the day.

[willieson1]

I agree with both you and cruzat jim but as in the right to bear arms we forget they have the right to bear arms back against you unfortunately they got the bigger guns . the south used this amendment but lost their struggle So this makes the watch over our rights even more needed in watch dog groups let us give them our full support power in numbers, is our only hope.

[KiowaEagle]

Unbelievable......I'm not even going to bother to comment in this thread other than that. I get the impression from you guys that if Obama was handing out cash you guys would complain it aint green enough...

[Freedom First!]

Originally Posted by KiowaEagle

Unbelievable......I'm not even going to bother to comment in this thread other than that. I get the impression from you guys that if Obama was handing out cash you guys would complain it aint green enough...

Naahhh...

I'd be complaining that he had to hold up some hard-working, over-taxed citizen to get the cash.

'Cuz the goobermint doesn't "own" or "create" wealth... WE do!!!

Until you understand that concept, you'll always have the wrong impression...

[YME]

I get the impression here that you guys are upset over the Gov. taxing us. Where are they going to get the money to run the Gov'nt? After all, as FF said, they don't own or create wealth. Those of you that don't need any social benefits are angry because you have to support those that do need them. Without the power to tax, there would not be a Government. Then, who pays for our Military to protect our Freedoms? Would we rely on voluntary contributions? That would go a long way. The right to tax it's citizens is the greatest power the Gov'nt has. If you want to see what a Gov'nt that exercises no control over it's people looks like, check out Afghanistan. Everone has as many or any type of guns as they want. Growing Poppys for opium goes unchecked. No tax for Social programs. No EPA . No Gov'nt run Health Care. You could go on and on about all of the programs and controls that we are burdened with that they don't have to put up with. Only problem is that the largest majority of them live in poverty. Given the choice, I'll take the USA every time, even with all of it's faults.

[Freedom First!]

No. False.

What I have a problem with, is government redistribution of wealth. There's a distinct difference between that, and taxes.

Know the difference.

[YME]

Taxation is a redistribution of wealth. Those that don't pay taxes enjoy the benefits of what people who pay taxes pay for. I assume (maybe wrongfully) that you are against Soc. Sec., Medicare and Medicaid as those are very big Social programs that redistribute the wealth.

[Freedom First!]

Yes, I am.

I have no problem paying taxes necessary to provide for the national defense, and maintain infrastructure. Outside of that, the federal government has NO rights or jurisdiction, and taking wealth from one individual to give it to another is redistribution of wealth.
Again, we are a Constitutional REPUBLIC, that is: many sovereign, autonomous states, united under a representative governing body with limited power.

Fail US Government, much?

[cruzat]

Originally Posted by willieson1

I agree with both you and cruzat jim but as in the right to bear arms we forget they have the right to bear arms back against you unfortunately they got the bigger guns . the south used this amendment but lost their struggle So this makes the watch over our rights even more needed in watch dog groups let us give them our full support power in numbers, is our only hope.

A lot has changed since the civil war.

1. there are a little more than 200 million gun owners in the US.
Not all of them would fight so lets say only 30% or 40% would then you have about 3 or 4 million gun owners fighting.
There are only about 2 million US Soldiers worldwide and if the fight is over the constitution or the lost of it or part of it then you can bet that not all of those Soldiers at least not against the people that are trying to protect the constitution.
Also during the civil war the armies mostly just faced each other and fired until the other side gave up.
Today we have learned so much about gorilla warfare.

Originally Posted by YME

I get the impression here that you guys are upset over the Gov. taxing us. Where are they going to get the money to run the Gov'nt? After all, as FF said, they don't own or create wealth. Those of you that don't need any social benefits are angry because you have to support those that do need them. Without the power to tax, there would not be a Government. Then, who pays for our Military to protect our Freedoms? Would we rely on voluntary contributions? That would go a long way. The right to tax it's citizens is the greatest power the Gov'nt has. If you want to see what a Gov'nt that exercises no control over it's people looks like, check out Afghanistan. Everone has as many or any type of guns as they want. Growing Poppys for opium goes unchecked. No tax for Social programs. No EPA . No Gov'nt run Health Care. You could go on and on about all of the programs and controls that we are burdened with that they don't have to put up with. Only problem is that the largest majority of them live in poverty. Given the choice, I'll take the USA every time, even with all of it's faults.

Some taxes are needed to pay for the Military and infrastructure but that should be about it.
Surly we should not be taxed to pay for things in other countries.
We have discussed this here before but one of the first things that Obama did was to release tax payer money to fund abortions worldwide.
Now even if abortions are not a problem for you surly paying for them in other countries should be.