Greetings and a legal thought...

[rbrooks]

The only site I knew of where you can legally watch Tv is Readon TV, If there were any other, And it was illegal, Then I wouldn't want to break the law

[Bob Taner]

Everything that can not be seen should be free. Bottled air anyone?

[verify]

I also have not read thru this whole thread, but i agree with fifties. even though you own the equipment doesnt mean you are pirating with it.

Even with that being said using a FTA unit for something besides FTA is not legal no matter how you slice it. buying a external piece of hardware to assist in the above is also not legal, but they do have to prove it and really is no way.

One thing we must remember, this is Testing do it or dont do it. Whether you are donating and getting file access , paying for a file or buying an external piece of equip and dwnl a file for it nothing mentioned above seems within the realm of the law.

I think everyone should have a sub no matter what you are testing, The providers main grip is we are loosing money if everyone had a basic sub then it would be hard for them to state this as fact. therefore taking one good arguement they have away.

I have yet to see dn go after the end user, i think main goal here is to stop some of the totaly public sale of these products. Many years ago this type of thing was kept very private , when it became public thats when the trouble started.

Also ppl were somewhat afraid not to have a basic sub for a reason to have the dish on the property. Well times have changed , but i do think if the providers were satisfied that they were not loosing so much money they would be less likely to persue FTA with such vigilance.

Hope this post does not sound ridiculous - But is JMHO

Thanks
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[Gig]

Originally Posted by voop

Hi...I'm Voop,

Here are newbe greetings with a legal thought...

I admit I have watched free DishNet with hacker files I downloaded from
the internet...you probly know one such site ?
Well they used to post the signal decryption files for total DishNet service
(prior to NagraVision3 encryption...you at all familiar with that
?)...or most all of it...and we just downloaded the hacker files and
watched free DishNet.
I having studied some United States federal laws of real estate...I learned that one's property extends all around ones borders, say of a house and land...extends from the ground down to the center of the earth...and all the sky above the house extending all the way up into the sky as far as is the atmosphere...ionosphere etc....
Thus...the DishNet satellite signals which reached my roof legally belonged to me to do with as i chose...sorta like they trespassed on my property...as the air space all above the property belongs to the homeowner ....so I was not legally stealing anything...simply using the air space on my own roof which legally is mine. Thus I stole nothing...and am not a thief....nor a "pirate" as DishNet kept illegally calling me.

This should be noted by all for the record.

Lets all hope for a NagraVision 3 breakthrough as soon as possible.
And remember...nothing is unhackable....only thru time and reverse engineering technology is it done.

Enjoy and keep well,
-Voop

Well I will give ya another thing to ponder on, DCMA makes it not illegal to view what is there, but you are not allowed to decrypt or reverse engineer and that is where they will get you.
Second, if I own my property in cubic feet rather than square feet, does anyone want to by 100 million cubic feet of property in them there hills?

[crowman1]

Originally Posted by signalsnatcher33

It may be that way here on something like that.




Yea, they poison em out here in the country, started doing it about 10 years ago after we had a severe ice storm that took down a lot of miles of utility lines. I tried telling them last year, that I would keep em trimmed but they said it was mandatory that they were sprayed they killed about 10 year and a half old poplars I had planted for a screen. They did warn me about a month ahead of time.... told me I could move em but it was the end of August, 100+ degree days and dry as a bone, I knew they would not survive.

If they are spraying your land you do have recourse.
First of all DO Not accept their policy. Post the length of your land with DO NOT SPRAY signs.
Second Have an attorney draw up a notice warning informing the utility company of your Objection to spraying on your land. Ordering Cease and desist.
Have this notarized and file it with your court house.
Now comes the fun part.
Next time they come to spray be prepared to Get as much video as you can of them spraying on your land.
Attempt to get the DO NOT SPRAY signs in the photo.
Also you want to research what chemicals they are spraying
You may be shocked to find out that the defoliant they use is akin to agent orange.
File your case to be heard in court.
Your argument is they are polluting the ground water on your land, and destroying your crop of trees. You will be suing for damages and requesting they clean up their toxic spill. They have no legal argument as you offered to maintain the trees ( your crop) at no cost to them.
DOCUMENT your offer and all Corespondent's. Keep in mind their company policy is not law.

You might be surprised how fast the utility co. changes their policy.

[bls1000]

Voop is correct concerning the boundary lines to your property. The problem is you cannot conduct what the government (local, state, or Federal) considers illegal activities on your property. You cannot grow illegal plants or gamble (in most areas). If the law states that decrypting a signal is illegal, then your only recourse is to find a higher law such as the Constitution that conflict with the law in question. Actions by enforcement agencies could not conflict with the Constitution so they would need a search warrant to search for items deemed illegal. Most enforcement agencies have more important things to do than to search for decrypting devices. But money tends to rule what actions are taken.