Greetings and a legal thought...

[voop]

Originally Posted by signalsnatcher33

We both know that when you decrypt a signal intended for paying customers like D/N's signal, without their permission that we are stealing...... Same as when you climb a pole (on your property) and hook yourself to cable without paying, rig your electric or water meter to show less than actually used it is "Theft of services" or it is here in the states anyway........ I know from experience.

That pole analogy is interesting...except that the pole is always the power company's property or phone company's property no matter where it is located...Whereas my roof is my property.

-Voop

[signalsnatcher33]

Originally Posted by smokymtn

I don't think it stealing only finding away around the system,

Yep, to each his own. Whatever lets you sleep at night I suppose.

Me personally, I know what I do and accept responsibility for my actions..... If it was legal, it would not be any fun. Imho

Later

Originally Posted by voop

That pole analogy is interesting...except that the pole is always the power company's property or phone company's property no matter where it is located...Whereas my roof is my property.

-Voop

Who owns the rights on the signal? Who owns that encryption system? Can you tap into the city's water line running under your property and get free water?

Calling a chicken a duck, will not make the chicken a duck. No matter how loud or how often you say it.

[smokymtn]

I subscribe tv and test fta, and I also responsible for my actions everyday that I get up

[Blinky123]

Originally Posted by smokymtn

I subscribe tv and test fta, and I also responsible for my actions everyday that I get up

At my age I just thank God that I get up everyday. LMAO

[smokymtn]

Thats why I say its a thin line or things would be a lot different

[signalsnatcher33]

Originally Posted by smokymtn

Thats why I say its a thin line or things would be a lot different

It only gets thin when people do not want to say that they are using something that does not belong to them without paying for it.....

I am done now..... Lol, I quit. I shall not stir the pot anymore.

Later

[dayglo77]

so i guess that anything that happens to end up on your property, automatically gives you legal ownership and the right to do as you please?
i would think not

[smokymtn]

You cant stir whats not there,

[voop]

Originally Posted by signalsnatcher33

Yep, to each his own. Whatever lets you sleep at night I suppose.

Me personally, I know what I do and accept responsibility for my actions..... If it was legal, it would not be any fun. Imho

Later



Who owns the rights on the signal? Who owns that encryption system? Can you tap into the city's water line running under your property and get free water?

Calling a chicken a duck, will not make the chicken a duck. No matter how loud or how often you say it.

You know what...darnit heck...I'm thinkn you are correct although I think the real property law of the air above...may throw a cloud of doubt on the actual enforcement of what is the amendment of the Communications act of 1934...declaring that all air signals belong to no one...Here below is the amendment fought hard to pass by Barry Goldwater in the passing of the 1984 Communications act here below:
=Voop

SEC. 5. UNAUTHORIZED RECEPTION OF CERTAIN COMMUNICATIONS.

(a) Section 705 of the Communications Act of 1934 (as redesignated by section 6) is amended by inserting ``(a)´´ after the section designation and by adding at the end thereof the following new subsections:

``(b) The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to the interception or receipt by any individual, or the assisting (including the manufacture or sale) of such interception or receipt, of any satellite cable programming for private viewing if—

``(1) the programming involved is not encrypted; and
``(2)(A) a marketing system is not established under which—

``(i) an agent or agents have been lawfully designated for the purpose of authorizing private viewing by individuals, and
``(ii) such authorization is available to the individual involved from the appropriate agent or agents; or

``(B) a marketing system described in subparagraph (A) is established and 'the individuals receiving such programming has obtained authorization for private viewing under that system.

``(c) For purposes of this section—

``(1) the term 'satellite cable programming' means video programming which is transmitted via satellite and which is primarily intended for the direct receipt by cable operators for their retransmission to cable subscribers;
``(2) the term 'agent', with respect to any person, includes an employee of such person;
``(3) the term 'encrypt', when used with respect to satellite cable programming, means to transmit such programming in a form whereby the aural and visual characteristics (or both) are modified or altered for the purpose of preventing the unauthorized receipt of such programming by persons without authorized equipment which is designed to eliminate the effects of such modification or alteration;
``(4) the term 'private viewing' means the viewing for private use in an individual's dwelling unit by means of equipment, owned or operated by such individual, capable of receiving satellite cable programming directly from a satellite; and
``(5) the term 'private financial gain' shall not include the gain resulting to any individual for the private use in such individual's dwelling unit of any programming for which the individual has not obtained authorization for that use.

``(d)(1) Any person who 'willfully violates subsection (a) shall be fined not more than $1,000 or imprisoned for not more than 6 months, or both.

``(2) Any person who violates subsection (a) willfully and for purposes of direct or indirect commercial advantage or private financial gain shall be fined not more than $25,000 or imprisoned for not more than 1 year, or both, for the first such conviction and shall be fined not more than $50,000 or imprisoned for not more than 2 years, or both,: for any subsequent conviction.
``(3)(A) Any person aggrieved by any violation of subsection (a) may bring a civil action in a United States district court or in any other court of competent jurisdiction.

``(B) The court may—

``(i) grant temporary and final injunctions on such terms as it may deem reasonable to prevent or restrain violations of subsection (a);
``(ii) award damages as described in subparagraph (C); and
``(iii) direct the recovery of full costs, including awarding reasonable attorneys' fees to an aggrieved party who prevails.

``(C)(i) Damages awarded by any court under this section shall be computed, at the election of the aggrieved party, in accordance with either of the following subclauses;

``(I) the party aggrieved may recover the actual damages suffered by him as a result of the violation and any profits of the violator that are attributable to the violation which are not taken into account in computing the actual damages; in determining the violator's profits, the party aggrieved shall be required to prove only the violator's gross revenue, and the violator shall be required to prove his deductible expenses and the elements of profit attributable to factors other than the violation; or
``(II) the party aggrieved may recover an award of statutory damages for each violation involved in the action in a sum of not less than $250 or more than $10,000, as the court considers just.

``(ii) In any case in which the court finds that the violation was committed willfully and for purposes of direct or indirect commercial advantage or private financial gain, the court in its discretion may increase the award of damages, whether actual or statutory, by an amount of not more than $50,000.
``(iii) In any case where the court finds that the violator was not aware and had no reason to believe that his acts constituted a violation of this section, the court in its discretion may reduce the award of damages to a sum of not less than $100.

``(4) The importation, manufacture, sale, or distribution of equipment by any person with the intent of its use to assist in any activity prohibited by subsection (a) shall be subject to penalties and remedies under this subsection to the same extent and in the same manner as a person who has engaged in such prohibited activity.
``(5) The penalties under this subsection shall be in addition to those prescribed under any other provision of this title.
``(6) Nothing in this subsection shall prevent any State, or political subdivision thereof, from enacting or enforcing any laws with respect to the importation, sale, manufacture, or distribution of equipment by any person with the intent of its use to assist in the interception or receipt of radio communications prohibited by subsection (a).

``(e) Nothing in this section shall affect any right, obligation, or liability under title 17, United States Code, any rule, regulation, or order thereunder, or any other applicable Federal, State, or local law.´´.

(b) The amendments made by subsection (a) shall take effect on the effective date of this Act.

[smokymtn]

Thats good article for cable