Canadian judge: No warrant needed to see ISP logs

[MABS]

Originally Posted by KiowaEagle

I've got to disagree. Although downloading a file might be construed that you have intent to use it being connected to an IKS server can by nature of what it does can only mean you are using it.

well you can argue that buying the receiver has uses other than for stealing but i dont think that you would be able to convince a judge that you have no intention of using that file if you take the time to download. if such an argument worked, you would see it used in the defense of people accused of file sharing. there is no other reason to have the 3rd party file other than to circumvent the protection put in place by the broadcaster

now people will say what ever they feel to justify what they do but when it comes down to it, none of us have a leg to stand on and no one system is any safer than the other

[kmac632]

Whether or not we have a leg to stand on in the end, the man power, money and resources to persecute all of us would be overwhelming. The onus of prosecution could not be transferred to the government or law enforcement for the same reason. They will target a few of course, the blatant, the easy or the stupid, to keep us on our toes and uphold the fear factor, but in the end only technology will keep us out and a we all know it can and will eventually get hacked.

[sodusme]

Although no one has been busted using IKS (yet) downloading a bin file doesn't imply any guilt. I also have never heard of anyone being busted for being in possession of a bin file. The bin file only becomes illegal after which time its loaded onto an fta receiver. If a bin file were illegal then all these fta sites would be shut down for hosting and making available illegal files.

File sharing is like comparing apples to oranges. In file sharing you are doing just that "sharing" a file. For every part of a file you download you upload an equal part. Hence you are making available copyrighted material. When you download a bin you are simply downloading it....not equally uploading any part of it. Not to mention I don't believe the bin file constitutes "copyrighted material" in any sense.

Don't be fooled by the "IKS is harmless" scenario. Just because no one has been called on it doesn't mean that you cannot be traced by it. If Nfusion was so good at what they do....then why did they make available the wrong type of proxies for use with their box i.e http proxies instead of socks v5 proxies (this isn't a slam against them just a question). It also has been posted that there is no legitimate reason to connect to the server if you are in fact running "true" fta. The server is there for one reason only. I don't hate Nfusion I don't sell boxes hell I don't even push one box over another. What I DO know is internet security and how to keep safe online....

[fusionlou]

we have never had any rights in the country way back since the British have been in charge don't be fooled by any of this. one day we will all wake up to see it all anf say what da *&^% happened. good luck and keep up the fight

[penquinbum]

Originally Posted by fusionlou

we have never had any rights in the country way back since the British have been in charge don't be fooled by any of this. one day we will all wake up to see it all anf say what da *&^% happened. good luck and keep up the fight

Hey, i'm in a British colony and they don't seem to keen to persecute, er prosecute, members of our esteemed hobby. It's just that in canada all the politicians are owned by the broadcasters of all stripes: conventional, cable and satellite and to heck with the consumers anyway.

[tinabobeana]

If you are worried about downloading files, just do what I do. I either connect to someone else wireless signal to download or visit FTA sites or I go to the public library. And bring a flash drive.

[SmokinChronic]

Originally Posted by Gary Gnu

Canadians just dont stand up for their rights and I can only imagine things getting worse for privacy.....Such a shame....

I agree with you Gary, Canadians truly don't stand up for there rights.
Providers here say something, and the Government jump right on to band wagon to pad there own pockets. Not saying all are bad, it's about who's in our corner. They can push to have whatever bill they need passed.
It use to be said the Gov worked for the people, since we put them in office. But they work for who can make their pockets fatter.
I'm quite sure the average Canadian wouldn't mind starting a job, work for six years, get a full pension, then return to a regular job if they wish.
But that JMO.

[Tommy Baker]

I think we should all be using tor (and gnupg for email). I love the idea about wireless "borrowing", 'just no one around me out here in the back-country.

Does anyone else tor?

And, to the webmaster, will you offer https so my username and password can't be so easily hijacked??

thanks http://www.dssrookie.com/forums/images/smilies/yes.gif

[dishnetwork1961]

very interesting reading. I learned a great deal of info. thanks guys!

[fastfred]

"A Superior Court in Ontario, Canada has ruled that IP addresses are akin to your home address, and therefore people have no expectation of privacy when it comes to their online activities being accessed by law enforcement. This means that, in Canada, police can potentially request information from your ISP about online activities, and can do so without a warrant."

I find this interesting, if true does this mean "law enforcement" is allowed to walk into any address at any time without a warrant? The judge made the comparison to a "home address".
If this is the case then the SUBJECTS in Canada have a much larger problem! There are no longer Citizens in Canada.